H G Palmer PPS1P stereo record player
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Location: Penrith, NSW
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Trying to restore an early 1960's record player and need the circuit diagram to work out the output transformer wiring, It has a 6bm8 for each channel which may be the correct valve and if so the primary is 7K ohms however there must be feedback links in the secondary. That is what I need to figure out?
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Location: Hobart, TAS
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Brand and model number would be handy.
Welcome to VR.
JJ
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Location: Sydney, NSW
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Location: Penrith, NSW
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Location: Sydney, NSW
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Dunno how I missed that!
The entry says it's referenced in J. R. Publications "Television Service Handbook", which strikes me as bizarre, however someone on here may have that.
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Location: Penrith, NSW
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Maybe Stuart is a member of HRSA and I could contact him through radio waves.
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Location: Melbourne, VIC
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There is a Titan/KGH portable stereo model/type NPK that has a 6BM8 for each channel & feedback from the secondary. This feedback consists of a 2.2K resistor going to the wiper of the tone control. The NPK has a solid state rectifier but other versions may have used a valve type.
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Location: Belrose, NSW
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I pulled a mono one of those HGP portable record players apart as a kid.
Yes, Titan / KGH.
The one I knew had a 6V4 and a 6BM8.
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Location: Sydney, NSW
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Steve, the feedback most likely runs from the secondary through a series resistor to the wiper of the tone control. You'll need to get the phasing right to avoid positive feedback oscillation.
If you unhide your email address via Control Panel I'll send you something that will probably be close enough to what you have to be useful.
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Location: Wangaratta, VIC
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With HG Palmer, it could be made by anyone. However, it could be based on HMV Chassis 01 which is stereo. It uses an ultra linear amp which has tapped primaries on the OP transformer. That tapping is B+ The end opposite to plate is in series with 1.5K going to pin 7 of the 6BM8 which is the Pentode screen.
This one originally had a metal rectifier: Metal rectifiers had a habit of producing a cloud of toxic smoke. B Voltage 245VDC at full wave rectifier Secondary 222 VAC. 20,000 OPV Analogue Voltmeter.
O1 has two electrolytic filter caps one directly on B the second on the screen after the 1.5K. One on the Cathodes and another on the Balance. Those may have dried out or lost "form" (polarity) use 500V or more filter caps on B If this is the one?
I have the HMV data on that chassis.
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Location: Melbourne, VIC
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All HG Palmer products of that early 60's era were made by KGH. No if's or buts.
Here are the circuits for the NPK with solid-state (silicon diodes) rectifier & the NLK radiogram version with the same amplifier but with a 6V4 rectifier. I am certain the amplifier section of the PPS1P will match either of these circuits.
Titan NLK Circuit Diagram
Titan NPK Circuit Diagram
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Location: Wangaratta, VIC
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Interesting: We had a HG Palmer TV & it was Stromberg Carlson.
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Location: Belrose, NSW
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Both Stromberg and KGH made for HG Palmer. Stromberg only did TVs for them, and then not after 1961 when they failed due to the credit squeeze. KGH were the only survivors.
HMV NEVER made OEM products for HG Palmer.
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Location: Melbourne, VIC
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Yes Marc, you are correct. Early HG Palmer tellies were made by Stromberg Carlson.
According to an article by Neville Williams there was a price war between Stromberg Carlson & Admiral. This all happened around the 1960 credit squeeze which ended up killing both of them. Both companies had an over supply of tellies when the squeeze hit. H.G Palmer first did a deal with Admiral, purchasing at least half their TV production at a discounted rate. Stromberg Carlson then came along and undercut Admiral by offering HG Palmer a better deal. Then another company shortly afterwards (probably KGH) pulled the rug from under Stromberg Carlson.
In late 1960 Admiral dumped a few hundred of their Australian made 23" tellies in Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe), which at the time had just introduced a television service & had a shortage of receivers.
I can only imagine that when HG Palmer went under they probably dragged KGH down with them!
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