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 Return to top of page · Post #: 1 · Written at 2:15:42 PM on 2 July 2017.
Pitchersj's avatar
 Location: Albury, NSW
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I have recently acquired a vintage HMV TV which I believe to be Model F3-A2. It is in cabinet made by Beale.
I believe this to be manufactured in 1958.

Having no knowledge of electronics, I am wondering what the "restorability" is of this particular model.
It is terrific just to display but it woud be great to get it working again if possible.

I am also after any general information any members may have on this model like a schematic, old adverts, brochures etc etc

I am in Albury NSW


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 2 · Written at 3:36:17 PM on 2 July 2017.
Ian Robertson's Gravatar
 Location: Belrose, NSW
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Provided the CRT is OK, everything else can be fixed. I hope you have unbroken knobs, they are hard to replace or replicate.

The F series is a high performance chassis. As good a picture as you can get and your F3 even has push-pull 6BM8s in the audio. Doesn't get much better that that!

I'll email Brad a copy of the schematic and include you if your email address isn't hidden.

>>>> Oh, whatever you do, DON'T SWITCH IT ON!! <<<<

You are likely to do damage that will complicate the repair.

I'd love to get it going for you if you like.

HMV F3 Circuit Diagram


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 3 · Written at 4:45:29 PM on 2 July 2017.
Vintage Pete's avatar
 Location: Cromer, NSW
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Guess who has the knobs😆😆
These ones are hard to get but I have some if you really need them, and I have the mask, safety class,
Perhaps someone would like to make some repos if so let me know, that would be a better way to go


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 4 · Written at 4:59:52 PM on 2 July 2017.
Ian Robertson's Gravatar
 Location: Belrose, NSW
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Pete, how would you make a repo of that channel knob plastic shell? !!

Maybe you wouldn't, you'd just make it as a solid casting and forget about the inner diecast fluted bit....

It was the inner clear plastic parts of the fine tuning and to a lesser extent, the brightness rings that used to break.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 5 · Written at 5:09:14 PM on 2 July 2017.
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 Location: Cromer, NSW
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G day Ian,
Plus the plastic is transparent Red!
But I have some if you come up with an idea?
Of if you need a set ,,drop me a line
Pete


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 6 · Written at 5:22:41 PM on 2 July 2017.
GTC's avatar
 GTC
 Location: Sydney, NSW
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My grandparents had an HMV television of that era with red (claret?) translucent knobs that fell off, and were replaced more than once. It wasn't the model being discussed here, but those knobs, or similar, may have been on more than one HMV model?

The part that pushed onto the metal shafts cracked. Designed to fail.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 7 · Written at 5:39:29 PM on 2 July 2017.
Vintage Pete's avatar
 Location: Cromer, NSW
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. gtc
Yep thats them, they used them on all the through the screen models and yes the centers use to crack or spin around in side.
But on a bright note,They were one of the best looking Tv knobs ever to look at .
Pete.
Probably can make some with Resin and Tint it Red.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 8 · Written at 5:56:58 PM on 2 July 2017.
Pitchersj's avatar
 Location: Albury, NSW
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Thanks Guys for all your knowledge.

I have emailed Brad with some pictures of the set. It has all it's knobs as far as I know.
It is missing the back of the cabinet so if anyone has a "spare" I'm interested.

I will be getting the set later this week and can post more pictures.

Ian Robertson you have been very helpful and you may well be the closet person to me who can fix it.

I note your advice about turning it on. I would'nt dare. I have read all the warnings on this page.

Is there any way for a novice like me to determine if the CRT is okay or would an expert need to see it first.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 9 · Written at 6:06:00 PM on 2 July 2017.
Ian Robertson's Gravatar
 Location: Belrose, NSW
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Best way to test the CRT is to get the chassis running after a fashion.

Even if you can find a CRT tester it won't tell the whole story.

However, pics of the inside might reveal a not-so-old replacement CRT.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 10 · Written at 6:26:28 PM on 2 July 2017.
Pitchersj's avatar
 Location: Albury, NSW
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Thanks Ian

There are a couple of pics of the CRT you should see shortly.

I can email some more detailed ones later.

Was this set a high priced luxury model when it first came out ?

It's also interesting what you say about the audio as my English Dynatron GR8 portable record player has a push pull amplifier and the sound on it is terrific for a 1964 model.

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 Return to top of page · Post #: 11 · Written at 7:15:39 PM on 2 July 2017.
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Circuit diagram uploaded to Post 2.


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Brad.

A valve a day keeps the transistor away...

 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 12 · Written at 7:16:31 PM on 2 July 2017.
Ian Robertson's Gravatar
 Location: Belrose, NSW
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Yes they were high end. All the F series were ahead of the pack with 4 stages of vision IF, full DC coupled video to maintain correct black levels and they all had the classic RCA Synchrolock circuit that RCA had dropped because it was too expensive! Amongst other things.

Because of their complexity they probably weren't the most reliable TV back then.

Is yours the console with the 12" speaker?


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 13 · Written at 7:32:27 PM on 2 July 2017.
Pitchersj's avatar
 Location: Albury, NSW
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Thanks Brad for the diagram


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 14 · Written at 7:33:54 PM on 2 July 2017.
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No worries. Your photos are also up and I took the liberty of fixing up your avatar. Let me know if I guessed the wrong image and we'll sort it out for you.


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Brad.

A valve a day keeps the transistor away...

 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 15 · Written at 7:39:44 PM on 2 July 2017.
Pitchersj's avatar
 Location: Albury, NSW
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Ian

According to an internet research which I know is unreliable. The F3-A2 has a smaller speaker than the F3-A3 which has a bigger speaker. Is this th one you are referring to.?

Correct me if I am wrong as I am by no means an expert.

Mine is a console style in a cocktail type cabinet with closing doors. Pictures are now attached.


 
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