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 Return to top of page · Post #: 16 · Written at 9:18:40 AM on 18 June 2018.
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Just a thought...

When you have measured voltage on the socket from pins 1 and 7 to earth, are you setting the meter to AC volts?

"Pin 1 now reads infinite ohms, 270 volts to earth.
Pin 7 says 500 ohms,180 volts to earth"

This comment in Post 11 would indicate to me that one half of the secondary winding is open circuit or a solder connection is no good, although they don't look too bad in the picture.

Harold

Edit: Does the orange wire from pin 1 go to the transformer tab marked "S"? This would be the shield, hence the open circuit. Or am I misreading the valve pin, my eyesight is a bit off.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 17 · Written at 7:04:12 PM on 18 June 2018.
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Johnny
Cap repositioned to pin 5. Nicely spotted.
220 DC volts.
Speaker hums now, not just soft crackle.
I do have a schematic, that’s a lesson learned there, to check everything off the plan.

I noticed a truly shot resistor under the tuning gang, I think it’s r4 3.9k on schematic. It’s reading infinite ohms. Replace?


 
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Johnny
Cap repositioned to pin 5. Nicely spotted.
220 DC volts.
Speaker hums now, not just soft crackle.
I do have a schematic, that’s a lesson learned there, to check everything off the plan.

I noticed a truly shot resistor under the tuning gang, I think it’s r4 3.9k on schematic. It’s reading infinite ohms. Replace?


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 19 · Written at 7:29:42 PM on 18 June 2018.
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Johnny
Cap repositioned to pin 5. Nicely spotted.
Measures 175VDC using dim bulb
Murray


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 20 · Written at 8:00:33 PM on 18 June 2018.
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OK, We are progressing well.
What’s the voltage on pin 1 of the 6BD7, should range from 50 to 90 volts.
Also while powered up and the volume fully clockwise, grab hold of the metal part of a screwdriver and touch pin 2 of the 6BD7.
Keep your other hand behind your back.
You should get a loud buzz.
Next, you best follow the wiring of the resistor you say is shot and with the aid of the circuit establish what value it’s supposed to be.
JJ


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 21 · Written at 10:14:35 PM on 18 June 2018.
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Johnny,
Pin 1 of 6BD7 reading floats from 9 volts to 17
I put screwdriver on pin 2, touched it gingerly and got quiet hum
Replaced 3.9k resistor
Murray


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 22 · Written at 6:27:03 AM on 19 June 2018.
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Hi, I also live in Maleny and have repaired hundreds of Kriesler items. Send me your phone number and I will contact you to sort out you issues. You can watch while together we fault find.Mike


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 23 · Written at 8:49:33 AM on 19 June 2018.
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Murray, Off pin 1 of the 6BD7 you will find a 270K resistor,
Check/ Replace it. And check volts and test audio again.
If you wish to continue with Mike, I’ll bow out here.
Too many responses by well meaning people can be confusing.
JJ


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 24 · Written at 9:04:40 AM on 19 June 2018.
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By the way I cannot see a 3.9K resistor, Are you sure it’s not meant to be a 39K.
Looking at the circuit, that is.
JJ


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 25 · Written at 5:22:57 PM on 19 June 2018.
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Be careful with 6AQ5 especially if there has been previous rework. Pins 1 & 7 are both grid 1 and frequently I see one of those pins used as "a terminal of convenience". That normally causes havoc.

Where there is rework, there is a need to check everything against the circuit diagram and any new parts for correct value.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 26 · Written at 9:32:33 PM on 19 June 2018.
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Johnny,
I’m not one to change horses mid stream.. I’m really appreciative of your guidance, and am enjoying the learning. I do also take other people’s information on board, but I’m sticking to the narrow path.
The 270k resistor measures up pretty close to what it should.

Re the 3.9k, my schematic shows 3.9k in the diagram,up by the extension antana point. There’s no “resistor number” by it so it doesn’t seem to be on the chart . Not to be confused with r4 at 39k. It’s a bit fuzzy in the chart so I trusted the diagram.

Mike, I’ve made my email visible, it would be good to meet u, at some time. Such a small town.


Murray.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 27 · Written at 8:42:05 AM on 20 June 2018.
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Sorry for the delay,
Pin 3 of the rectifier has a 3.3k resistor off it with a filter cap on both sides.
What is the DC voltage on both sides of this resistor.
Also up the wattage of the dim bulb tester to 75 or 100 watts.
I would expect around 250 volts and 200 volts respective.
I also assume that you have studied the valve lineup and made sure they are all in the correct positions.
I think we will get it going eventually, but it is a bit hard without having it right in front of me.
Mike has made an offer, it’s up to you Murray.
But keep going with it.
JJ


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 28 · Written at 9:28:40 PM on 20 June 2018.
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Jonny,
On the 32mf cap side, 190vdc
On the 8 mg cap side , 165vdc
I have a 72 watt globe in the dim bulb tester.
I lifted one end of that 3.3k resistor a few days back, it measured 3.4k
Murray
edit- I have just found resistor 4, a 39k off pin1 of valve 2(if amplifier) is infinite ohms. Back to jay car..


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 29 · Written at 9:38:48 PM on 20 June 2018.
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Murray, voltages seem a little too low to me, have you tried another rectifier valve, and check the voltages again.
The very low voltage on the plate of the 6BD7, is a worry as you have checked the 270k feed resistor and from a previous comment replaced all caps. So this means the the .01 coupling cap also off the plate has been changed?
If that’s the case, either the 6BD7 is faulty or there is a wiring error.
Also check the grid resistor of the same valve, I think from memory 10M to deck.
JJ


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 30 · Written at 9:44:16 PM on 20 June 2018.
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And check the cap that also goes to the grid of the 6BD7(pin2). From the center of the volume pot.
Assume changed?


 
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