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 Astor OZ extension speaker change over knob.
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 Return to top of page · Post #: 16 · Written at 8:19:02 PM on 9 August 2018.
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If you look at the end of the shaft carefully, it still has the circular lines from a cutting tool. A break will not look like that. Its only a matter of hrs since I attacked a piece of conduit with my lathe.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 17 · Written at 8:57:34 PM on 9 August 2018.
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The round shaft is puzzling. The radio is advertised as being portable so that it would have been necessary for the accessory speaker to be often switched on and off as the radio was moved around. A round shaft is not adapted to this use since a knob can be attached only by a grub screw (not possible because of its short length), or by an interference fit. On this basis the key or knob, which probably came with the speaker, would perhaps be tapped on with a hammer to become a permanent attachment.
None of my references such as Lankshear's books is enligtening.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 18 · Written at 9:35:22 PM on 9 August 2018.
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I have made an inquiry to another in the Radio Club that I believe has one. I am firmly of the opinion that the shaft is what it always was. This is the reasoning behind the asking if there is a drilling, through the shaft for a pin? Otherwise it's possibly a knob with a long neck & split with a spring to clamp it to the shaft. These horror stories break with regular monotony.

Drilling is not an action unheard of, as that is how some potentiometer's in my BWD CRO are joined to the their drive shafts. Of course one pot is faulty & the new one is going to need drilling exactly in the same spot: That wont be with a hand drill.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 19 · Written at 9:44:13 PM on 9 August 2018.
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it's possibly a knob with a long neck & split with a spring to clamp it to the shaft.

That would be my guess as well, and would also explain why it's missing.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 20 · Written at 11:35:22 AM on 10 August 2018.
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I am working on my Oz replacing capacitors and have noticed the circuit is not the same as the one in Silicon Chip.

http://archive.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_100857/article.html

There is a coil with a resistance of 800Ω and bypass capacitor, 5μF in the cathode of the 43 to ground. This is similar to the audio output stage in my Astor Caliph PZ. Why use a coil and not a resistor.
Notice the SC radio does not have a speaker change over switch also. My radio looks original and it is serial number 3381, so it may be a late production. It will be interesting to see what Brad’s chassis reveals.

Astor Mickey OZ Layout


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 21 · Written at 11:50:47 AM on 10 August 2018.
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Just checked two radios at our Sound Presevation Museum, in Hobart.
And both have identical switch shafts, but no knobs or keys to operate the switch.
Perhaps this came with the extension speaker.
JJ


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 22 · Written at 8:16:11 PM on 10 August 2018.
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There would be good reason to cap the hole & not have a knob in it. One would be that some Goose would turn it onto extension speaker setting & not be able to work out why it was not working and worse, if the secondary (or the voice coil) goes, or is opened, the OP transformer can start "ringing". That produces EHT in the primary which often flashes over & will do neither valve, or insulation any good.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 23 · Written at 8:22:52 PM on 10 August 2018.
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That’s interesting Marc, one of the two I looked at had the hole sealed with what looked like wax.
JJ


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 24 · Written at 9:07:48 PM on 10 August 2018.
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Photo uploaded to Post 20.


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A valve a day keeps the transistor away...

 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 25 · Written at 10:24:12 AM on 16 August 2018.
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Later version of the Oz circuit.

I replaced the caps and have got it going. I have noticed the circuit is not as per the published schematic around the 43 output valve. The wiring looks original and if it was modified they must have done it in the 30's.

Has anyone else examined an Oz with the published circuit?

Should I modify the circuit back to the published schematic or draw a new schematic with the modification?


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 26 · Written at 4:43:36 PM on 16 August 2018.
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Glen on the The Real Bakelite and Antique Radio Face Book has posted a picture of the knob.

Astor Mickey OZ Knob
Astor Mickey OZ Knob


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 27 · Written at 6:38:31 PM on 16 August 2018.
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Glen on the The Real Bakelite and Antique Radio Face Book has posted a picture of the knob.

Maybe post a copy of the image here for posterity, and for those of us who have zero to do with Facebook.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 28 · Written at 5:19:47 AM on 17 August 2018.
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Photos uploaded to Post 26.


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A valve a day keeps the transistor away...

 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 29 · Written at 11:58:42 AM on 17 August 2018.
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Thanks Garyoz/Brad.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 30 · Written at 10:45:39 AM on 22 August 2018.
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See also, Astor Mickey OZ circuit variations over the production period, 1933 – 1935.

https://vintage-radio.com.au/default.asp?f=2&th=914


 
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