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 Return to top of page · Post #: 1 · Written at 11:06:12 AM on 4 January 2016.
Tallar Carl's avatar
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Well what a surprise !. This one has been recapped. Dont know why the cord was cut but I'm a little concerned about why the ground wire on the cable does not actually go to earth ( the Chassis that is ) . Maybe the previous owners generous amount of insulation tape might give us a idea as to his capabilities. I have sent some pics so Marc if you have any ideas please comment.

Kingsley Ferrotune Radio
Kingsley Ferrotune Radio
Kingsley Ferrotune Radio
Kingsley Ferrotune Radio
Kingsley Ferrotune Radio


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 2 · Written at 1:59:51 PM on 4 January 2016.
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Dont know why the cord was cut but I'm a little concerned about why the ground wire on the cable does not actually go to earth ( the Chassis that is ).

Possibly a mains short to chassis, maybe via the transformer (assuming it's not transformerless).

Try a continuity/isolation check between mains cable wires and chassis.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 3 · Written at 4:36:01 PM on 4 January 2016.
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It has a transformer and the earth wire is on the transformer.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 4 · Written at 7:03:43 PM on 4 January 2016.
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I cut the cord off any radio I sell unless I have restored it. There are others that do the same and your radio may have had this done. If the cord is cut off there is a lot less chance of a seller being sued if a buyer gets themselves an electric shock.


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A valve a day keeps the transistor away...

 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 5 · Written at 8:29:30 PM on 4 January 2016.
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It has a transformer and the earth wire is on the transformer.

Unless the transformer is insulated from the chassis, then the chassis is grounded -- albeit not as well as it could/should be. Far better for the earth wire to be attached directly to the chassis.

As Brad said, the previous owner may have been covering him/herself in safety terms by cutting off the mains cord. Nonetheless, I'd be checking that set for an unacceptable transformer leak. Standard practice with an unknown set.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 6 · Written at 8:50:05 PM on 4 January 2016.
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I will await photo's but there are at least two scenario's.

It would pay to check the regulations re sale of secondhand electrical goods in the state of origin. In many cases this stuff cannot be sold unless it has been "Tagged & Tested", which has by stealth expanded from cables & portable equipment like power drills to anything with a mains plug on it.

Places like the Salvo's are not prepared to pay about $5 per item to have say a power cable tested when you could probably buy same at Bunnings new. Then of course there is the litigation where everyone wants to sue everyone else, even that it is often the fact that they themselves are morons, & that caused the accident in the first place.

Of course now that the cable has been cut, it has to comply with regulations when put back. That is no knot in the cable & it must be secure.

But wait there's more: This fantastic deal also means that you will have to insulation test the primary, & mains wiring to see that it has not got earth leakage as per current Standards.

I cop this every time I fix a mains powered device, or take a thing to a show. More and more you will not be able to (and it is happening) plug in anything mains without a Tag. So any mains powered device I take to a show, with the intent of running, or perhaps flogging working, has to be tagged. Of course what I do is listed on my Public Liability policy.

And you wonder why people are reluctant to fix things (if they are actually fixable).

Marc


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 7 · Written at 9:27:30 PM on 4 January 2016.
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Of course what I do is listed on my Public Liability policy.

Would be interested in the details of that. Are you able to publish it, or a link to it?


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 8 · Written at 9:27:36 PM on 4 January 2016.
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Yes Marc you hit the nail on the head there. I have tested it and it all came back hunky dory. What threw me was that everything seemed to be done.But I never take it for granted that all is ok. The radio is a strong performer and all I have to do is tidy up loose ends ie the unsecured power cable. I am going to also replace the tatty speaker cable and polish the case and its all done.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 9 · Written at 9:32:13 PM on 4 January 2016.
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Nonetheless, I'd be checking that set for an unacceptable transformer leak. Standard practice with an unknown set.

Agreed.

In many cases this stuff cannot be sold unless it has been "Tagged & Tested", which has by stealth expanded from cables & portable equipment like power drills to anything with a mains plug on it.

As far as I have been able to ascertain, this is only required in Victoria for the sale of second hand goods although it has been a requirement for many years nationwide for electrical equipment in the workplace.

To be honest I am against the whole idea except where leads are in genuine danger of becoming faulty, for example on building sites, where tagging must be done monthly. The reason for this is because most people do not understand what the tag actually means. A tag means that an electrical flexible cord was in good condition at the time it was inspected. It does not mean that the cord will remain that way for more than a second after inspection. Most people believe the opposite to be the case and thus would lead them to believe that a cord is definitely safe when it may not be.

About ten years ago, tagging requirements in NSW workplaces were actually relaxed, which is strange since NSW usually has the most stringent laws and regulations and the highest fines for infringements. The biggest change was that pretty much anything that is stationary no longer requires a tag, except for wet areas and hazardous locations. To be honest I think it was a sensible move.

That said, I think that anyone who sells a radio and leaves on a cord such as the all too familiar single-insulated VIR figure-8 type, no matter what the condition, tag or no tag, is asking for trouble. Smoke-testing such radios, as we've seen too many times via links to Ebay sales, is fraught with even more danger.


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A valve a day keeps the transistor away...

 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 10 · Written at 9:40:58 PM on 4 January 2016.
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I think that anyone who sells a radio and leaves on a cord such as the all too familiar single-insulated VIR figure-8 type, no matter what the condition, tag or no tag, is asking for trouble.

Indeed, especially those where the knotted figure 8 doesn't even pass through a grommet in the chassis, as I have encountered.

As for the compulsory workplace tagging, I have watched that happen year in and year out at a number of places and only once have I seen a cord failed, and that was on a single bar radiator on the floor under a woman's desk. The radiator would have been at home in a 1940's window display.

The tester applied a FAILED sticker on the cord and then cut it off.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 11 · Written at 10:15:11 PM on 4 January 2016.
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My public liability is not a domestic one. This is predominantly a farm, despite the fact that most of my qualifications are not in that area.

That means that this is a business, & I have an ABN. My sort of Liability is not the same as that of someone living in suburbia, as the often uncontrollable risks here are far greater.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 12 · Written at 10:20:30 PM on 4 January 2016.
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My public liability is not a domestic one

I took it that you meant you have a liability policy relating to radio repairs, and that's what is of specific interest to me.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 13 · Written at 12:37:35 AM on 5 January 2016.
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When you take out the Commercial Insurance; There are aspects relating to what you do and that also relates to the Clubs that I am in and they are all different policies.

I primary produce so the policy has to cover that, as that can involve offsite work as well with tractors etc. Farm fencing etc.

I also repair small engines, pumps, do a bit of light engineering (Turning & fitting, making gates etc) & stuff like that and do resort to doing the odd oil change & that sort of thing on others vehicles & tractors, floats & trailer, around the place other than mine.

So it is a case of shopping around. The biggest issue is what I consider the willful & misleading assessments of some risks. I do think some should be de-registered for not underwriting risk, it's just a pretext making money. E.g they try to say things like flying is dangerous & load it, yet, when you look at the movements vs people killed, we hear about nearly every air crash in the world & we kill tens of thousands more on roads. Then there is flood insurance.........

There is a lack of Underwriters in this country & you tend to find that Many brands are actually owned by one company.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 14 · Written at 12:58:30 AM on 5 January 2016.
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There is a lack of Underwriters in this country

Yes, the big 3 (QBE, Suncorp and IAG) underwrite most general insurance in Oz.

I do think some should be de-registered for not underwriting risk, it's just a pretext making money

The dozens of pages of policy fine print list what they don't/won't cover. What they do cover usually amounts to a paragraph or two. I think they should be renamed avoidance policies.

But we digress ...


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 15 · Written at 1:44:39 AM on 5 January 2016.
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Well I have found that the kingsley has very low volume could this be a weak valve.


 
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