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 Return to top of page · Post #: 1 · Written at 5:16:28 PM on 12 December 2022.
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Hi all,

I have got hold of a;

Electrola Cocktail Bar Radiogram

Manufactured in Australia by Anderson, Eric, Radio and Television Pty. Ltd.

Here is a link https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/anderson_electrola_cocktail_bar_radiogram.html.

I have been looking for a circuit diagram but can't seem to find anything. would anyone happen to have a copy or know where I can obtain one. I'm happy to purchase it if available.

I am surprised there is so little information out there, as it was an Australian manufacturer which existed up to the 70's.

Many thanks,
Ben.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 2 · Written at 6:36:08 PM on 12 December 2022.
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G'Day Ben, can't help with a circuit but can assure you that given a valve lineup there are plenty of people on this forum that can get it going/repair/restore this radio gram.
Lots of this type of electronics were built by various furniture makers with borrowed/copied internal parts from aus makers.
And by the many retail chains of the time.
JJ


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 3 · Written at 7:50:40 PM on 12 December 2022.
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Hi Johnny,

Thanks for your reply, I thought the layout looked fairly conventional. I plan to restore it myself. It is a very clean example and looks pretty much original, I'm thinking it may have never been repaired in the past. The valve line up is, 5Y3GT, 6M5, 6N8, 6N8 and 6AN7 plus a magic eye. If it's not too much trouble, could you please suggest a brand/model that has a similar line up?

Many thanks for your help,
Ben.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 4 · Written at 8:37:13 PM on 12 December 2022.
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Eric Anderson was a retail electrical goods chain, which was wound up in the mid 1980s. They were also in radio and TV rental.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EW2AJAnUwAIab6h?format=jpg&name=small

Their radios and radiograms were made for them by local manufacturers.

Using your given valve line-up, I cannot find an exact match in the usual places.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 5 · Written at 8:53:22 PM on 12 December 2022.
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Hi GTC,

Thankyou for your reply, that explains the lack of information available. I will now stop wasting time looking for a circuit and get on with restoring it.

Thanks,
Ben.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 6 · Written at 12:28:48 AM on 13 December 2022.
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A photo of the chassis may be of use. HMV was the most prolific user of 6M5 and using two 6N8's, but 6V4 was the common rectifier.

I recently worked on a 42-71 (chassis 42) and that had that line of tubes but 6V4.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 7 · Written at 8:02:57 AM on 13 December 2022.
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Thankfully my memory is fully functional. Eric Anderson formerly owned Reliance Radio to whom my good friend in Canberra ( Ray Pfister ) was their service technician. They are high quality units. They actually released a 36 valve radio gram complete with FM and recording facilities in the late 40s early 50s.
I remember Ray Mentioning Erics name in many of our conversations .
Schematics for reliance are like rocking horse poo. Look at this link.

https://www.radiomuseum.org/dsp_hersteller_detail.cfm?company_id=19433


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 8 · Written at 8:10:35 AM on 13 December 2022.
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Hi Marcc,

Thanks for your help. I have submitted a couple of photos of the chassis, just waiting for approval from the webmaster.

Electrola valve radio chassis
Electrola valve radio chassis


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 9 · Written at 8:20:16 AM on 13 December 2022.
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Hi Carl,

Thanks for the information, it's always interesting to know these type of facts. I'm familiar with that link but unfortunately no schematic. From what you have said, I guess I'm unlikely to find a schematic. Oh well I'll carry on without one, just always nice to have one when available.

Thanks,
Ben.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 10 · Written at 8:48:31 AM on 13 December 2022.
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Hi Ben you might want to look up electrosound because they were in the factory next to Reliance and often Reliance badge engineered some of their Mantel Radios.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 11 · Written at 8:52:37 AM on 13 December 2022.
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 Return to top of page · Post #: 12 · Written at 10:35:37 AM on 13 December 2022.
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Hi Carl,

Here's the funny part about the link you mention to Electrosound. I worked for Falk Electrosouind. You probably know that Electrosound merged with Fred A Falk and eventually moved to Rockdale. I was an apprentice there starting in 1984, I left the company in 1990.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 13 · Written at 4:42:07 PM on 13 December 2022.
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Which magic eye is being used in this radiogram?


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 14 · Written at 4:57:58 PM on 13 December 2022.
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Omitting the magic eye tube, the following sets have that line-up:

Brand, Year, Model
Queen, 1950, B51 ... (J T Greenless & Co - Brisbane)
Queen, 1950, D51 ... (J T Greenless & Co - Brisbane)
Tecnico, 1953, 1352T ... (Tecnico Ltd - Marrickville, NSW)


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 15 · Written at 8:53:47 PM on 13 December 2022.
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Hi Robbert,

The magic eye is an EM4.

Thanks.


 
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