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 EL3G versus 6F6G in Breville 330J
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 Return to top of page · Post #: 31 · Written at 8:53:05 PM on 30 January 2018.
Kimberlyolsen's Gravatar
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Exactly what I ordered Johnny Smile Expensive due to audiophiles though


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 32 · Written at 10:54:14 PM on 30 January 2018.
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EL3NG is distinguished by the huge size and the gold paint over the glass. Looks quite distinctive.

EL33 or EL33A some have red paint and some have no paint. The main problem is feedback due to their high gain. The stage needs careful design and placement of components. Sometimes a problem can be solved simply by wiggling the valve in its socket.

The 6V6G or GT is quite stable and you shouldn't have any problem with it.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 33 · Written at 9:22:53 AM on 31 January 2018.
Tallar Carl's avatar
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You do know that Joe Oost sells valves new or old and never charged audiophile prices.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 34 · Written at 10:59:18 AM on 31 January 2018.
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I've got a whole box full to the brim with used 6V6GT types. One can only imagine how many radios were wrecked to get them.

Would be interesting to know how much they'd be worth.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 35 · Written at 12:29:45 PM on 31 January 2018.
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They arent worth a great deal probably 20 bucks max. The Russian ones I have a perfectly ok and un used I would sell for ten bucks each plus postage . I doubt very much that Joe Oost would charge a great deal more. I have 5 NOS 6j8s which cost me 22 bucks each which I think is a steal and worth having


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 36 · Written at 8:52:54 PM on 31 January 2018.
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Checking this out a bit more.

EL3NG = EL33 = 6AG6G.

Specs are all the same. Looks the same.

6AG6G is available NOS from tubedepot.com for about US$60, for example.

However, if your radio has a 1st audio amp ahead of the output stage, you don't need the extra sensitivity of this bottle.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 37 · Written at 9:09:44 PM on 31 January 2018.
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Yes Carl I tried Joe Oost for an EL3NG or an EL33, but all he had was the EL3 with the wrong base. 6V6's are a dime a dozen, but yeah I

wanted the dinky dye one, didn't know the HRSA had them that cheap as I paid over $100 each for mine, but thems the breaks... I'm not a

HRSA member so I cant buy from them.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 38 · Written at 9:17:07 PM on 31 January 2018.
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I'm not a HRSA member

That's easily fixed!


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 39 · Written at 10:23:32 PM on 31 January 2018.
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True GTC, I'm planning to join, I've just been procrastinating and have for quite a while now! I'm going to do it soon though!

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/EL33-6M6G-TUBE-VALVE-NOS-60-DAY-GUARANTEE-VACUUM-RADIO-AMPLIFIER-HAM/142501823346?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

That's an EL33 I saved in my watchlist but I found one slightly cheaper and bought it, then I found another NOS, for a similar price and

bought it too. I have the EL3N which I bought from Joe Oost for $18 but it has the wrong base, but I have an adapter.

I now have a new, a used and another new one with adapter which will suit and I have another radio, a Dominion which I'll use one of the

other two in. The Dominion is on the back burner as the dial glass is smashed and the cabinet it busted needing fixing and I can't get it

working. The band selector switch has 9 positions, which is bizzare so I think it's broken and might be the problem.

If it was my radio, I'd splash out for the right valve as I have done, because that is what the set was engineered for and it will work best

and most reliably. The EL33 is certainly a punchy high gain valve, my HMV is extremely loud and clear for it's small electrodynamic speaker.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 40 · Written at 10:54:13 PM on 31 January 2018.
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I've just been procrastinating

As the saying goes: procrastination is the thief of time. Smile

You'll gain many benefits from membership.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 41 · Written at 1:34:50 AM on 1 February 2018.
Marcc's avatar
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EL3 is "P" based: Check this out. It may well have had a EL3N as the previous was obsolete possibly before the set was made?

https://www.radiomuseum.org/tubes/tube_el3.html

EL3N & EL3NG are the same animal with different bases: Superseded by EL33 which has the same cathode resistor 150 Ohms at 250V supply also into 7K load. Philips data. Grid one -6V; draw 40mA

6v6: g1-12.6V (draw 54mA . max signal) Rk around 230 - 250 Ohms (250V supply)

Marc


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 42 · Written at 2:27:13 PM on 10 May 2018.
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There is no such valve as a EL3G....

Welll, I have one on my bench. It is in an AWA 527MA and it shouldn't be there. It is definitely an EL3G, and has an "N" underneath. It has gold around the lower glass portion.

I should add that it is in a place where a 6V6GT should be.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 43 · Written at 3:05:24 PM on 10 May 2018.
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Yes, they do exist:

'EL3G/6V6 Power pentode, "G" denotes an EL3 with an Octal base. Versions without the pinch at the top and/or with a metal screen might have "N" appended, and letters "A", "B" or "X" would sometimes be used for variants (e.g. AL2X, ECH33B, ECH35A, EL3N and EL3NG).'


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 44 · Written at 7:05:27 PM on 10 May 2018.
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Now let me eat Humble Pie...
I got home and checked, it is an EL3N, the G is underneath. Doh!.
Sorry for getting your hopes up...


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 45 · Written at 8:13:26 PM on 10 May 2018.
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Whatever the variant, it's still the European numbering equivalent of a 6V6.


 
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