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 Return to top of page · Post #: 16 · Written at 11:35:54 AM on 15 October 2018.
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Hi Marcc
The two electros in parallel are 8μF 525V and 8μF 600V, both positive to pin 8 - heater of 5Y3 and negative to CT of 385V
secondary winding.
The other is 8μF 525V to G2 of 6F6, negative to chassis.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 17 · Written at 9:52:13 AM on 16 October 2018.
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That makes me suspicious that there have been a few "repairs" done by a Dodgy Brother. I would expect 8 then 16 and one may have been leaking. Also the "whatever was on the bench at the time" fix applies.

If we find a circuit & backbias is a clue, that needs checking 383-0-385 is not exactly intended for a low voltage B+ & 600V are going to be more appropriate from my point of view: Especially the first filter.

Do not leave any of those resistors with a metal cap unchecked: The caps are often loose. Naturally all of those Channex, & Ducon, oil filled & paper caps have to go. The Sprague & the Brown square one will likely be ok unless it has "Micamold" on it.

Dial drive is dodgy.

Marc


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 18 · Written at 10:43:59 AM on 16 October 2018.
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Thanks Marc for your comments.
Will be replacing all the caps except maybe the sprague and mica, the mica has Solar E.T.C Sydney on it.
What's interesting all cap values are in μF, the mica and sprague are .00005μF and .00035μF not 500pf and 350pf
I am trying to draw out the circuit of this radio, found a Philco 853/854 1936 model with a similar valve line up and roughly similar cct.
The wave change switch is stuck so will need to free it.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 19 · Written at 9:00:53 AM on 17 October 2018.
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My patience with Fire fox is wearing thin when it goes to this site. Weird things happen

Watch out with the switch, there can be fouling with bent contacts being hit with the wafer. Often that occurs when the thing comes loose at the bolts holding it together, or the roller balls in the detent springs are missing.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 20 · Written at 9:18:53 AM on 17 October 2018.
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My patience with Fire fox is wearing thin when it goes to this site. Weird things happen

I've had issues with FF here before, but all is OK at the moment, although I do have FF updates turned off because too many times an update has screwed up something somewhere.

I'm on v 60.0.1 What version are you using?


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 21 · Written at 9:46:40 AM on 17 October 2018.
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I'm using FF version 62.0.3 on Ubuntu 18.04, I have occasional issues with this site, but only minor since this site was updated.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 22 · Written at 4:32:44 PM on 17 October 2018.
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62.0.03 but it has some of the idiosyncrasies of the rest and some new ones. NBN here is wireless & I am sure that one of the radiators aimed this way has a loose connection. It & the Telstra Mobile do leave a lot to be desired at times.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 23 · Written at 10:34:39 AM on 28 October 2018.
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I'd say the output valve is likely a 6V6G(T). It is a myth that a 6V6G always needs a 5k load, and a 6F6G 7k etc. It all depends on operating conditions. A 6V6G(T) with a 250 ohm back bias resistor will be slightly over biased and a 7k load will be more suitable than a 5k load in this case.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 24 · Written at 10:38:09 AM on 28 October 2018.
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Sorry, I accidentally posted twice. Anyone know how to delete a post?


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 25 · Written at 5:33:46 PM on 28 October 2018.
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There isn't a way. Don't worry about it.


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 Return to top of page · Post #: 26 · Written at 3:33:17 PM on 10 May 2019.
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Have finally drawn out the circuit using a 6A8G as first valve makes sense so obviously the wrong valve was fitted here.
Have freed up the switch, for some reason it had a lot of wax over it, used hot air gun to melt wax, switch now working OK.
Power transformer looks OK resistance wise, speaker field coil measures 2.5k DC resistance, has 2500 ohms stamped on it, speaker transformer primary reads 500 ohms DC resistance, should it measure more than this as it is 7k primary.
As most of the components needed replacing decided to do complete rebuild, so have stripped the chassis down to just valve sockets and wiring.
The cabinet I am using to learn French Polishing and am in the process of doing this. Will post some photos in Cabinet Repairs forum.

Dominion Radio Chassis
Dominion Radio Chassis
Dominion Radio Chassis


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 27 · Written at 6:54:12 PM on 10 May 2019.
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With that valve compliment you will find it follows a pretty standard plot. Pay attention to the Ducon Electrolytic caps, they just might have "made in New Zealand on them (for real: no joke)

One could possibly post the circuit for error checking.

Badge engineering was just as prevalent then as it is now & plenty of parts used in everything often had a common source.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 28 · Written at 8:21:11 PM on 10 May 2019.
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Hi Marcc
Will post the circuit when get it reduced to A4 so I can create a PDF to upload.
Two of the Ducon caps has incorporating Aerovox and Sydney - Melbourne on them,
the other has no place of manufacture.
The chassis looks like it has been modified to suit this particular configuration, ie parts are bent to fit speaker and dial mechanism.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 29 · Written at 9:29:11 PM on 10 May 2019.
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Not uncommon to see misfits. I did make a comment in another post re a Kriesler I have here that needs a home. Needs recapping. However, it has a new recycled oval speaker & transformer, on Masonite. That at least gives more provenance to my comment that Kriesler's were hard on speaker transformers.

It was not so much curiosity that caused me to open this one up. The Kriesler Scroll is perfect & was coming off, so I accelerated that & see if I can reproduce it into AutoCAD. I normally end up drawing the circuit with the AutoCAD.

Also consider just scanning if its a good hand drawn effort. The old AutoCAD here allows the drawing to be lifted as a bmp & a couple of others & you can import the bmp into Word, which most versions can save as pdf if you want to.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 30 · Written at 7:06:50 AM on 11 May 2019.
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speaker transformer primary reads 500 ohms DC resistance, should it measure more than this as it is 7k primary.

7k is the matching impedence to the output valve, not the DC resistance. 500 ohms is fine.


 
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