AWA RADIOLA 520MY
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Location: Belrose, NSW
Member since 31 December 2015
Member #: 1844
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Yeah, life was cheap in those days.
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Location: Kanahooka, NSW
Member since 18 November 2016
Member #: 2012
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Yes I will do that. It is quite dangerous.
Jimb.
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Location: Kanahooka, NSW
Member since 18 November 2016
Member #: 2012
Postcount: 712
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I have eliminated it. and I had already fitted a 3 core flex and grounded it . It now has a standard antenna wire.
Jimb.
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Location: Wangaratta, VIC
Member since 21 February 2009
Member #: 438
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Methinks a whole lot safer that way. Might even work better?
Marc
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Location: Clare, SA
Member since 27 March 2016
Member #: 1894
Postcount: 510
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I know this may be a silly question, but why would using the mains as an aerial be dangerous if properly isolated with an appropriate capacitor/ capacitors, and the chassis earthed? Given that there is lethal voltage present in many parts of a radio and generally with the chassis inside the case and the back on, one would presume that everything would be ok and that with one less wire coming out of the set, two less with an earthed 3 ply mains cord, everything would be internal and insulated?
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Location: Sydney, NSW
Member since 28 January 2011
Member #: 823
Postcount: 6761
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Quite apart from the safety aspect, the mains are full of electrical noise particularly as AM goes and particularly these days.
So not a good idea at all.
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Location: Hill Top, NSW
Member since 18 September 2015
Member #: 1801
Postcount: 2078
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Yeah that's the main problem, it can carry all kinds of rubbish these days.
As an aside, I did try on one radio (as an experiment) using the earth wire (in the mains cord) as an aerial instead of its usual function... it does actually work. I wouldn't advise using it on other people's radios though. It might also cause a leakage-type circuit breaker to trip.
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Location: Naremburn, NSW
Member since 15 November 2005
Member #: 1
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What we need to assume is that most houses in Australia do not have RCD protection, because that is actually the case. That said, if an open circuit earth fault in an electrical installation is present and a fault also develops in an appliance, it will make all parts of the earthing system live.
With that in mind I don't recommend experimenting in this manner. There's too many unknowns...
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A valve a day keeps the transistor away...
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Location: Clare, SA
Member since 27 March 2016
Member #: 1894
Postcount: 510
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Hmmn.. All parts of the earthing system live? That sounds rather scary!
I actually didn't think of that one, but yes, that's exactly what would happen and Murphy's law would make damn sure!
Risk minimisation is always best practice.
Good explanation. Thank you!
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Location: Wangaratta, VIC
Member since 21 February 2009
Member #: 438
Postcount: 5389
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One thing from the regulations to consider when repairing. It actually states that if a metal part can become live, then it should be grounded.
Whilst the old transformers were built to a standard rendering them virtually as good as "double insulation"; By grounding the metal chassis on a transformer set, you virtually eliminate any chance of the chassis ever becoming alive.
What should be looked out for, are those line caps as the Americans used them a lot & I have a 1930's US radio here with them.
Some mains transformers are shielded and they bleed charge to the chassis. I have measured that at 185V on one (high impedance meter) that does not mean the transformer is defective (that one wasn't -- it got insulation tested). Grounding the chassis (naturally) gets rid of that charge.
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