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 Return to top of page · Post #: 1 · Written at 3:30:53 PM on 24 December 2015.
Labrat's avatar
 Location: Penrith, NSW
 Member since 7 April 2012
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Yesterday I had reason to use my signal generator, and while it was out, I took the opportunity to remove the two capacitors wired from the primary to chassis.

They were not at all what I expected in regards to looks, so I decided to post pictures of them for others. I had expected to see grey plastic covered axial capacitors like the ones commonly across the mains switch on the underside of turntables.

I would have replaced the caps with 2,000V ceramics, but the replacement mains lead with molded plug that I installed years ago does not have an earth.

Wayne.

Condensers


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 2 · Written at 8:52:52 AM on 25 December 2015.
Marcc's avatar
 Location: Wangaratta, VIC
 Member since 21 February 2009
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I have made comment on those & a couple of their clones in the past. I do wonder how the hell they got into the country.

They may have been done that way for the US & European market where "Hot chassis" radio's common. The use of line caps to a chassis with no earth wire, was to actually provide a signal path for the antenna circuit (in radios) not so much for any filtering.

But as far as I am concerned, putting capacitors, line to chassis and to a device that has a metal case, is a dangerous practice.

Where the device has a transformer(and this does) , I fit a grounded (3 wire cable). If the caps are replaced they need to be a type "X" "X/Y" type approved for use on the mains (these are not supposed to fail shorted)

These " approved" caps will invariably be marked 275VAC (not a DC voltage) (The ones I got from RS are 300VAC) and they will be stamped with a variety of international Standards Association stamps.

There may also be oil filled caps in that thing. I have serviced two recently and have one with new valves surplus to requirements. Oil filled caps are often no better than Waxed Paper and these oil's were finished & replaced. It would be advisable to check yours.

Most devices will work without them. I have mains with a lot of RF floating on it and is prone to lightning surges. As a consequence filtering & surge protection is permanently on the lines.

I am disappointed that NBN had not realised this when they made their tower the highest object in a lightning prone area. So far in two major lightning events there have been problems. I see no evidence of any lightning umbrella?


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 3 · Written at 11:29:45 AM on 25 December 2015.
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 Location: Oradell, US
 Member since 2 April 2010
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Back in the olden days it was thought that 500V would be enough for power line (mains) work, as 250V times 1.4 = 352V peak. But lots of transient spikes ride on the line (mains). Experience teaches us in the USA that you need 1.4KVDC to avoid breakdowns.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 4 · Written at 2:11:15 PM on 28 December 2015.
Marcc's avatar
 Location: Wangaratta, VIC
 Member since 21 February 2009
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It has gotten to the point here, where in several places, the computers & TV being two where I have MOV's permanently on the lines. Also caps as there is a lot of RF from the 24KV aerials.

What is scary is that I came home recently to find that two of them had actually activated & killed their circuits, as they were designed to do. It takes 30mA to trip the earth leakage protection and it had tripped on their circuits, so it must have been a decent transient.

I bought some caps recently & they are 300VAC, have not chased up their DC rating.

I did service a Japanese radio with 400VDC metal clad, oil filled types on the lines. I was really not shocked to find the contents of those caps, missing.

Marc


 
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