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 1950s American AM/FM mantel radio, bakelite cabinet
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As I understand the history of Aussie broadcast radio, FM broadcast radio wasn't even established(? was it really that late? If true, then Aussies only had FM for the sound on their TV sets before then) until the early 70's, so no Aussie tube AM/FM sets would have been made. But I suppose such a radio would have looked a lot like this DeWald mantel set.

except that the dial would have Aussie radio station callsigns instead of frequencies on it. This radio is a hot chassis, using 2 6BJ6s, 6BH6, 12AL5, 12AT7, 12AT6, 35L6 and 35Z5 valves. A transformer set would use a 6AQ5 and 6X4 instead, and they probably be able to fit the transformer in it, though it would be a bit crowded.


 
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FM was experimented with as early as 1947 that I know of but nothing came of it because the Commonwealth Government chose to go ahead with the introduction of television instead. Television came out on one channel in 1956 for the Melbourne Olympics and on three channels (two commercial and one government-owned) by 1957. A third commercial network was added after that.

FM later surfaced in the early 1970s when it was found that the AM band pretty much had no room left and extra features like stereo reception were sought after. Because of this, no radio capable of FM reception was made here, or certainly not for public sale anyway. It would be possible to convert the sound portion of an old television receiver to pick up FM though. The standard FM band covers the Australian VHF channels 3, 4, 5 and 5A. Even with this there'd only be a mono sound output.


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There were FM broadcasts in Australia from the late '40's to 30/06/1961. It was available in Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide. The programme material was either the ABC Metropolitan or National service, at the whim of the Station Technicians. This service was not widely advertised and was mainly used by experimenters and Hi-Fi buffs. The official reason the service was done away with was to make room for the new 13 channel TV system and space for future country TV stations. Neville Williams editorials in Radio TV and Hobbies throughout 1961 give a valuable insight into the demise of early FM broadcasting in Australia. The only commercially made Australian valve/tube FM recievers I've heard of was from Slade Radio of Croydon, Sydney. These date from the late 1940's. One was a bakelite mantle tuner only and the other incorporated in a radiogram. I suppose folk were rolling their own FM radios from RTV&H magazines.


 
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Found some pictures of Slades FM radios:
http://thebakeliteradio.com/page52/page52.html.


 
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The main reason FM took so long to be introduced in Australia was resistance from the commercial radio industry, which continued right up into the late 990s. The industry didn't want more competition from new stations, and they didn't want the expense of conversion. I was involved in the political process by which the industry was forced to embrace FM, and it was a struggle that went on behind closed doors for years.

The lobbying of the broadcasters, who also had affiliation to the major newspaper chains, was the main reason that TV was introduced in the late 1950s using the Band 2 VHF channels that are internationally allocated for FM radio. Politicians of the time announced grandly that "Australia will never have any need for FM broadcasting".

When FM was finally introduced, a long process began of clearing TV stations from VHF Band 2 and moving them to UHF - mostly outside the capital cities but including Canberra. It was known locally as "the Bantu clearance".

Maven


 
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Turns out it was a similar story in the USA regarding FM. We originally had an FM broadcast band from about 42 to 50MHz. But RCA, which owned a network of AM radio stations, didn't want the competition from other FM stations or the expense of upgrading their stations to FM. And RCA was developing television, and FM radio would distract the American consumer from buying TV sets. So as an attempt to kill FM radio, RCA's David Sarnoff got our FCC to reallocate the 42 to 50MHz band to become a TV channel 1, and the FCC moved FM radio to a new band at around 100MHz. RCA figured that that would bankrupt companies owning FM radio stations, and remove competition from TV. Part of this picture was RCA's David Sarnoff used to friends with, but later became enemies with FM's inventor Edwin Armstrong. Only thing was that the FCC mandated that the TV sound carrier be in FM, which meant that RCA would need to pay patent royalties to Armstrong when they sold TV sets. But they refused, and got sued. This is getting to be a corporate soap opera....


 
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