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 Return to top of page · Post #: 31 · Written at 7:21:33 AM on 16 August 2023.
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 Return to top of page · Post #: 32 · Written at 9:58:06 PM on 21 August 2023.
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I think it's important to realise that the warming of the climate is not a linear phenomena. Rather, the introduction of greenhouse gasses will force the climate into a new state of equilibrium, and at this current stage, it isn't known how to reverse the climate into a lesser extreme and cooler one.
Reaching a more extreme, worsened point of equilibrium isn't the worst threat however, instead, it is the point in which too much warming has occurred and the melting of trapped methane and other GHG's escapes from sometimes millions of year old ice sheets etc causing a positive feedback. This is where the already existing GHG's in the atmosphere cause the release of even more, previously trapped, GHG's constantly fuelling the release of more and more until possibly very little to no ice exists at either poles. one can only try and imagine how inhospitable most of the Earth would become at that point.

On the whole hydrogen bomb point, they're actually three bombs in one. a regular bomb to compress the fission bomb, which then explodes the fusion component with the kick starter energy obtained from the fission element.
Hydrogen itself is the only non-GHG combustible fuel I am aware of, and at least in terms of ease of implementation, it's the best we've got.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 33 · Written at 10:44:05 PM on 21 August 2023.
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We should also note the ignorance of history and the attempts to distort and erase it. We can note that the division between the Old & New Kingdoms of Egypt was a massive long devastating famine, caused by what? Wars often occurred during the natural heating & cooling of the earth which is apparently a cycle of around 700 years. One cannot assume that the sun is going to burn at a constant rate: That's folly.

That also goes for the whole continent of Africa where the Sahara desert formed, the White Nile appeared along the rift valley only apparently 12,000 years ago and the area around the Atlas mountains uplifted. A very natural change in the climate exacerbated by a change in the earths axis.

Also to be looked at and argued about is the compilation map cartographer Piri Reis came up with in 1513 which appears to show Antarctica with no sea ice. The Ice is melting on Antarctica in places, but we also need to consider that it has volcanoes.

The whole world just so saturated with lies & misinformation that who knows what the truth is. However, if it makes money we spread the misinformation.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 34 · Written at 7:26:09 AM on 22 August 2023.
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 Return to top of page · Post #: 35 · Written at 6:02:31 PM on 22 August 2023.
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The whole world just so saturated with lies & misinformation that who knows what the truth is. However, if it makes money we spread the misinformation.

I make it easy on myself - I just refuse to believe anything any government or climate crackpot says.


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A valve a day keeps the transistor away...

 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 36 · Written at 6:20:14 PM on 22 August 2023.
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Yes Brad, ABC Newsradio has got so bad that I find myself frequently turning it off in disgust!

At least they no longer run that "without bias or agenda" line!

Latest thing this morning could have been written by Kafka.
I heard the government is setting up a committee to investigate gender bias in the provision of Maternity services!

I kid you not! I just had a hearty laugh and switched it off!


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 37 · Written at 8:17:11 AM on 23 August 2023.
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Even with the lack of data available in the 1980's, scientists were already becoming extremely aware of the greenhouse gas effect and the trajectory we were headed for. looking at average temperatures over the past century shows just how accurate their predictions of what temperatures now would be doing really were.

https://youtu.be/Wp-WiNXH6hI

It does truly amaze me, to a point, just how little has been done. I mean this is the same time period the Montreal protocol came about for CFC's and all country's across the world were able to regulate, ban, and replace ozone depleting chemicals. Yet climate change has no one clear cut solution, it makes people uncomfortable, they don't want change, and they're not going to be held accountable if they don't do anything about it. So they don't do anything about it, no matter how severe the effects will be for every generation that follows. People dig their head in the sand, become denialists. It is simply easier for them to do so. It is human nature. And it may very well be our undoing.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 38 · Written at 2:00:02 PM on 23 August 2023.
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If we look at the rise & fall of empires we see how easy it is to destroy them and in the case of the Roman Empire from within. Aside from that Mother Nature and the Earth itself are the biggest destroyers.

It should be quite obvious that once we get to the point of limited resources there will be a correction like WW1 and WWII where wars & famine will kill millions and we start all over again. Of mother nature we look at Santorini. This looks like its a Super Volcano and in the times of Moses, was responsible for wiping out the Minoans and the Tsunami, & CO2 alone must have killed countless millions in a wide radius.

On the climate change we can do no better than Hitler & Co: They always said & proved, that if you incessantly tell the same lies, people will start to believe you. In some, that sort of brainwashing only commands a very light rinse.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 39 · Written at 6:16:50 PM on 24 August 2023.
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The Roman Empire's decline was due to a slow decline in cognitive ability of the population caused by lead water pipes!


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 40 · Written at 7:30:27 PM on 24 August 2023.
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And maybe lead acetate used to sweeten wine.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 41 · Written at 8:18:42 PM on 24 August 2023.
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And along come us and use the known brain poison Fluoride in our water, to achieve the same results.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 42 · Written at 8:59:16 PM on 24 August 2023.
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The issues surrounding climate change and the ozone layer are completey different. The hole in the ozone later was caused chiefly by one thing, CFCs. The use of CFCs in most situations has been abolished, though some use remains but mainly in the third world. The widespread bans solved the problem.

Climate change is different because there is more than one cause of temperature patterns, whether temperatures rise or fall, it is not a simple matter of banning one or two things and everything will be right. The planet is subject to many hostile forces which determine what the temperature will be, when it will be hot, cold, wet dry or frosty, etc and we can stop burning coal and oil tomorrow and these things will not change. Earth has always had climate cycles. There has been times of great climate turmoil with evidence to support it. The planet has been very hot - it started that way. It has also been very cold with several times when the planet was covered in ice.

An oxygenated atmosphere caused the great ice ages. Then volcanoes would erupt, pumping carbon dioxide and methane into the atmosphere, ending the ice age and creating events that seem odd to us but happened all the same, such as Gondwana-style rainforests in Antarctica.

I am a big supporter of nuclear power. This will stop mankind from pumping as much carbon dioxide into the atmosphere but it will not stop the planet's natural cycles.


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