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 Return to top of page · Post #: 1 · Written at 8:20:48 PM on 15 May 2020.
BurntOutElectronics's Gravatar
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Yes Brad I know I'll keep it unbiased

If you want a better insite of China and it's history and what they are doing now take a look

https://youtube.com/watch?feature=emb_title&v=hhMAt3BluAU


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 2 · Written at 9:08:15 PM on 15 May 2020.
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Re an insight into China, one needs to take into account what the British and others did to them in the 19th century.

It's no wonder they chafe at any perceived attempts to interfere in their internal affairs by "former colonial powers".


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 3 · Written at 10:14:56 PM on 15 May 2020.
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History is always interesting. Today we have and enjoy such a good relationship with Japan it's hard for many people to understand how we ever went to war against each other. But of course, back then Japan was ruled Emperor Hirohito and the people were all brainwashed into following him like a God and they believed in all he said and all the young men would gladly die to serving him . One of the conditions when they did finally surrender, was that he be left in place and not executed. Even after the bombing of  Hiroshima he still would not surrender even though the war had been lost. It was only after the Russians were moving in and of course the bombing of Nagasaki.But the People of Japan were devoted to their leader to point of worship, Similar to Korea and Fat Kim or today's China.It's also a very interesting China has taken over the south seas and built military posts and also bough up large amounts of Iron ore from us just like Japan did way back then. China has also vowed to reclaim Taiwan and use military force to do so. Strangely enough, if it happened now or soon the west would have trouble responding now we are all in a full-blown Recession .......Yep History is interesting  

pete battling the cold , most mornings a 2 to 4 degrees , ive not burnt the furniture yet !


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 4 · Written at 1:39:10 PM on 17 May 2020.
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China is simply doing what they've always done. They are just as much a bunch of colonists as Great Britain, France, Germany and Holland were back in their day. And let's not forget what happened before that, when Spain and Portugal divided the world in two and shared it amongst themselves, which is why there is a line drawn down the guts of South America with Spanish speakers on one side and Portuguese on the other.

The age of colonisation is pretty much over, though China has decided not to keep this in mind and wants more for herself. If China attempts to invade Taiwan, it will end badly for both sides because there will be a lot of death and injury on both sides. With a population of around 24 million, China needs to ask itself, if Taiwan is really worth the investment of billions in carriers and destroyers. At the end of the day, even though most countries don't recognise it, Taiwan is a sovereign state with its own president, its own police force, its own justice system, its own democratic system of voting and its own navy. China will have to flatten the whole nation to take it off the Taiwanese and then China will end up being like South Africa was many years ago with worldwide trade sanctions placed on it.

This week it was reported that China wants to replace the world-wide TCP/IP communications protocol with a new one developed by China. Who the hell is going to go for that?

1. TCP/IP and the associated DNS system have been around for a long time and despite having a few weaknesses, are proven technologies that simply work well.
2. No one single authority has absolute control over it. ICANN and IANA looks after the assignment of IP addresses to five regional authorities, ARIN and LACNIC (the Americas), APNIC (Australia, New Zealand and the Asia Pacific), AFRINIC (Africa) and RIPE (Great Britain, Europe, the Middle East and Russia).
3. Despite technically exhausting the supply of all IPv4 IP addresses, the system is still operational. But migration to IPv6 is slow.
4. If one or two countries break off the global network, it may slow things down by the network will not break because everything is distributed.
5. Each country gets to decide what it will and won't tolerate on its portion of the Internet.

If all this is taken over by China, it would end up being China's way or the highway. Stick that, I say.


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A valve a day keeps the transistor away...

 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 5 · Written at 4:16:43 PM on 17 May 2020.
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One reason I think China wants to do away with TCP/IP is to do with keeping the western world in the dark and having total control of internet communication within China.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 6 · Written at 6:18:54 PM on 17 May 2020.
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They could just use IPX. The red books are already printed LOL


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 7 · Written at 8:56:10 PM on 17 May 2020.
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Pub test.

If China is such a wonderful country, why do their citizens send keep sending stuff like baby formula made in a backward place like Australia back home rather than eat their own healthy brands?
If China is such a wonderful country why do we get flooded with their students in our backward Universities rather than the glorious seats of progressive learning back home?

This is not being racist just asking simple dumb questions by a backward old guy.

Fred.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 8 · Written at 10:45:02 PM on 17 May 2020.
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Big Taiwanese electronics Foxconn + semiconductor TSMC are developing parallel infrastructure in US so management can make a seamless transition, scuttle domestic facilities and abandon island as soon as they sense invasion.
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2020/05/15/taiwan-semiconductor-building-a-chip-factory-in-arizona.html

Foxconn accumulates massive 3,000 acres [5 sq mi] of prime land + industrial water rights near Lake Michigan.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/money/business/2018/12/27/foxconn-has-bought-another-91-acres-outside-its-factory-site/2426224002/


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 9 · Written at 3:38:01 AM on 18 May 2020.
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I decided to do a quick read-up of the history of Taiwan, and the important thing is that China gave up their right to that island to the Japanese in 1895. Therefore China has zero rights in any form to attempt to invade it.

Quote from wikipedia.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Taiwan

"Following the First Sino-Japanese War in 1895, the Qing ceded the island, along with Penghu, to the Empire of Japan."

So, if anyone has the right to ask for it, it is Japan.

In 1949, after being defeated in mainland China, the ROC party began the modern history of Taiwan.

Ian Robertson - IPX is only useful over the local network. It doesn't travel well over the internet.

I think if China want their own network protocols in their own country, good luck to them. But nobody's going to bend their knees to them anywhere else in the world.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 10 · Written at 6:27:58 AM on 18 May 2020.
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Australia/New Zealand would be logical choices for relocation of Taiwan's key companies, but those preparing to flee must feel they need a destination that has defensive/offensive nuclear weapons firewall?


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 11 · Written at 6:55:50 AM on 18 May 2020.
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The trick these days is hypersonic missiles. There's a few choices for the East and West for hypersonic missiles that attack but neither side has any that can defend.

One thing Australia does possess is an advanced land-based radar system to the north that can pretty much patrol the oceans between Australia's northwest coast as far west as Sri Lanka and as far north as North Korea. With that, at least we'll know what is coming even if there's nothing to fire back at it.


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A valve a day keeps the transistor away...

 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 12 · Written at 8:00:04 AM on 18 May 2020.
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TSMC will be making the new Apple A-14 Bionic processor with as many as 15 billion transistors. Trump wants more secure sourcing for these and welcomes their move to Arizona.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 13 · Written at 8:13:55 AM on 18 May 2020.
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The coronavirus has made us realise that centralised supply chains are not compatible with the need to close borders. This is the best time for the West to wake up and bring home certain manufacturing. Australia has once again started making hospital patient beds and ICU ventilators. We can do it now - so why not keep doing it. Hospitals are charged a king's ransom for all types of medical equipment so it may as well be made here and in other western nations.

The coronavirus test kits that China threw at everyone weeks ago are defective. Whether or not this was deliberate is beside the point. The point is, we cannot depend on a country that puts poisons like melamine (an industrial dye that colours things white) in milk so why are we depending on them for anything else?

When I go to the supermarket I make a point of not buying anything that is imported unless it cannot be helped. Food labelling laws in Australia were vastly weakened a couple of years ago. Before, the country of origin had to be shown on the label. Now the only information is what percentage is local and what percentage is imported. It doesn't give me an indication of the quality of what's inside, so naturally I am reluctant to buy such products.

Labels that still show where the product comes from, such as Paramount red salmon, I'll still buy, because I've been eating it all my life and trust the brand. It also says, "Product of Alaska", on it. If it said, "Product of China", I wouldn't walk away, I'd run. A lot of canned products come from all sorts of places and one has to be careful. Whilst it is the case that most food items on the shelves seem perfectly fine, how do we really know that?


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A valve a day keeps the transistor away...

 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 14 · Written at 10:14:14 AM on 18 May 2020.
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We may be able to actually make things that last. I am looking at a neighbours Grey Fergy and its a mess. But I can get virtually every wearing part for it.

House 2013: Fluorescent tubes, two died with in 5 years there are others newer & all up 3 are on the verge of failing. Yet with Ballast types there is one 2 by 85 Watt Thorn England and about seven or eight, dated from 1960's to 1980's still going, they were not made in China.

Whist duds & scrapping keep people in work, just think of how much energy & resources are saved, not having to remake & recycle things.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 15 · Written at 12:17:12 PM on 18 May 2020.
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Robert, the joke about IPX (the Novell LAN protocol) was the red books, I was wondering if there was anyone still around who would get it.


 
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