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 Is this ok for Kriesler 11-78?
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 Return to top of page · Post #: 1 · Written at 6:26:13 PM on 7 January 2018.
JamieLee's Gravatar
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Just asking... I have had no luck finding a stereo headpiece and cartridge, however I came across this on Ebay:-

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/112687766451

It is stereo and comes with a flip over for 78, it looks great, however would it perform properly in a Kriesler 11-78? As I thing I could mount it easily. Thanks you for any replies.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 2 · Written at 9:38:25 PM on 7 January 2018.
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3 to 5 grams tracking weight I think would not be suitable for the turntable in the Kriesler.
And if you increased the weight to allow an auto turntable to work OK, it would probably fail in the ballistics area.(where the stylus makes contact with the cartridge).
JJ


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 3 · Written at 11:43:24 PM on 7 January 2018.
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The Rc 121 has good adjustment on the tone Arm.
But that Head you have was meant for 78 Records and at guess it might of had a tracking weight of 10 or 12grams maybe even more.

78's it was not so important as there a hard shellac Record , but a Lp is vinyl and so the tracking weight must be much lower or it will eat the records.
But many people put different cartridges in the stereo head and it works fine . As I said before Ian has done one too and a few people on the net. But that was with the stereo head and I dont know what number the cartridge was.
What you really need to do is get some old cartridges and just sit down and play around with it and see what you can come up with.
Pete


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 4 · Written at 11:50:38 PM on 7 January 2018.
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Sorry JJ I disagree. It's easy to adjust the tracking weight on those Garrards. I have done so for a similar cartridge and it tracks and operates perfectly. But I should add a caveat to that, the Garrard was freshly overhauled.
The Tetrad is a good cartridge and should work well in the 11-78.
You will probably need some spacers under the screws though so that the cartridge protrudes from the bottom of the headshell.
If there is a metal weight in the headshell, remove it.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 5 · Written at 8:01:00 AM on 8 January 2018.
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Yes, ideal conditions, freshly serviced and carefully adjusted.
Not something that happens in the real world.
So therefore cartridge suggested is not really perfectly suitable, but a possible hack.
JJ


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 6 · Written at 9:09:29 AM on 8 January 2018.
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Hey Guys ,while we are on this Topic. I think I will buy one of these Stylus Gauges that are kicking around ebay.
It's only 15 bucks and might be good for the tool box. Might be handy here's a link to one if anybody wants to check them out.

https://ebay.com.au/itm/252902516411

Pete


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 7 · Written at 9:36:38 AM on 8 January 2018.
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Good idea, Pete.
Will be really able to look after your records.
BTW did you see the neat Kriesler portable TV that came up on EBay today.
A very modern, reliable set in its day.
JJ


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 8 · Written at 10:04:01 AM on 8 January 2018.
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Hello jj are you getting this heat too down there in Hobart?
I might buy that gauge jj , I often restore turntables and normally I just set the weight by the old balance method. I only do the mechanics I'm no good with electronics.
No I have not seen the TV on ebay ,but I will have a look.
All the best Pete


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 9 · Written at 10:59:52 AM on 8 January 2018.
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BTW, Pete the stylus balance I have, and was given to me by a cartridge manufacturer many years ago.
Is just that, a simple hand held balance with a direct scale readout.
Would be very easy to duplicate with a bit of tin or aluminium.
I'll see if I can find it and post a photo.
No batteries needed Smile.
JJ


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 10 · Written at 3:06:56 PM on 8 January 2018.
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I don't suppose anybody has a spare stereo headshell kicking around they are willing to sell?


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 11 · Written at 3:18:19 PM on 8 January 2018.
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Jamie, The only difference between the 2 Head shells is.
1 the open front.
2 the heavy metal bracket which is removable.
3 the cartridge.

Pete

http://i.imgur.com/VMhrf2O.jpg


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 12 · Written at 3:25:47 PM on 8 January 2018.
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For setting the weight I used a small low profile digital kitchen scale that happens to have a 0.1 gram resolution mode.I wish I could remember where I got it!

The wiring on the mono headshell is different but it's easy to change it.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 13 · Written at 5:07:44 PM on 8 January 2018.
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Ah thanks for that Pete! What I have should then suffice. Yes I actually thought about a kitchen gram scale! Good idea!!! I've found a more suitable looking cartridge:-

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/361907556539


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 14 · Written at 5:14:52 PM on 8 January 2018.
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Actually this one looks even better, 190mV output! Has the whole kit & caboodle included!

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/400982131029


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 15 · Written at 5:48:04 PM on 8 January 2018.
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Yes, 190mV one would be good, but very expensive from that site.
Note most kitchen scales are probably not accurate enough around 5 to 30 grams.
Plus the tone arm needs to be in exactly the same horizontal plane as when on a record, when measuring.
So it needs to be a very thin instrument that fits just beside the platter, giving the right stylus height.
JJ


 
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