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 Return to top of page · Post #: 1 · Written at 5:52:47 PM on 22 April 2018.
Labrat's avatar
 Location: Penrith, NSW
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Hi Folks.

I have just received the above listed remote and know almost nothing about it.

I was unaware that HG Palmer had a remote on any of their TV's.
I must have led a sheltered life. Looking through my documentation reveals only that it appears to be from about 1970/1
and that it has an octal style plug with about 12pins.

Any information will be much appreciated.

Picture sent.



 Return to top of page · Post #: 2 · Written at 7:48:07 AM on 23 April 2018.
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 Location: Belrose, NSW
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Yes Wayne I remember seeing a few of those. Pretty rare, they came right at the HGP deathknock.

By KG Harris. The TV used a BSR gearbox and motor with plastic gears that chopped out pretty early. The motor engagement method was like a Lucas stater motor and had similar issues.

 Return to top of page · Post #: 3 · Written at 8:38:06 PM on 23 April 2018.
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Photo uploaded.

A valve a day keeps the transistor away...

 Return to top of page · Post #: 4 · Written at 8:58:19 PM on 23 April 2018.
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When I was an apprentice my girlfriend's dad had a Kriesler B&W with a remote control.
He proudly demonstrated it for me on his daughter's request; I was a 20 year old smart-arse-know-it-all working with "modern" CTV's and was not impressed with such rudimentary technology.

I can still remember the elegant hand piece (elegance and Kriesler always went hand in hand) with it's long trailing chord running across their lounge room floor.

How I now miss those days (and her). And how I wish I could talk to him now and thank him for for keeping alive such a wonderful 'tele' when all and sundry were dumping them into the local tip in favour of CTV's.

You are fortunate to have such a treasure Wayne, and please pardon my nostalgic rant.


P.S. If by the remotest (no pun) chance you happen to come across this post Mr. Cook, please rest assured that I now appreciate your wisdom.

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H. G. Palmer were long gone by 1970 I'm pretty sure. I don't recall seeing any H. G. Palmer remote control sets but there you go, there must have been.


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H. G. Palmer were long gone by 1970 I'm pretty sure.

HG Palmer's went into receivership in October 1965. The Receiver promptly closed many unprofitable stores but kept the business going while looking for buyers.

Feb 1968: the Melbourne area TV service and maintenance business sold to Murdoch Electrical P/L.

Jul 1968: Qld and Northern NSW stock, plant and properties sold to Chandlers P/L and others.

Jul 1968: NSW TV service and maintenance business sold to O'Donnell Griffin Group.

Sep 1968: Remaining NSW retailing assets sold to Eric Anderson group.

Palmer himself was sentenced to 4 years gaol in June 1969.

Palmer's never manufactured anything. It was all outsourced. Among the largest creditors listed by the Receiver were Kriesler and Philips.

 Return to top of page · Post #: 7 · Written at 10:27:16 AM on 25 April 2018.
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Further investigation of my data reveals the remote comes from TVs with the 1/06 chassis, and possibly the 1/05 chassis. A production commencement date of September 1964, is the earliest I can find for any of the TVs with the 1/06 chassis.

The reference material I'm using comes from J&R Manuals B&W 1971 Vol 3 Groups 10-14.
Somewhere I did find a partial picture of the remote, but can't find it now.

The information in the J&R references is fascinating. There is a huge amount of data packed into a few pages.
And Just who is/was Velvet Action Pty. Ltd Products? The sheet has the HG Palmer heading.

I would love to find a schematic to the remote, and of the HG Palmer TVs, but they are not listed under their name. Help required.


 Return to top of page · Post #: 8 · Written at 11:37:14 AM on 25 April 2018.
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 Location: Belrose, NSW
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Hi Wayne

In the J&R manuals they are under the KGH chassis, i.e Titan. I'm sure I've seen a schematic of the remote somewhere in there. I'll have another look.

Yep, page 734 in my PDF has the Titan 1/06 chassis with the remote control circuit. It's dated November 1964. I also have a series of mod sheets for the 1/06 and others. The alignment instructions has HG Palmer branding.

I can post copies here if you like.

I do remember the ill-conceived BSR channel change gearbox. It used a shaded-pole motor (turntable style) with a rotor that could move about 10mm laterally in its bearings. A light spring held it partly out of the stator field, applying power pulled it into the stator and into mesh with a plastic gear. You can imagine that it would be rotating before it engaged the gear with the obvious ramifications.

When you changed channels manually you spun up the whole plastic reduction gear chain, which was contained in a riveted sheet metal gearbox. These things rarely lasted more than a year in service.

Because the line output stage ran unstabilised these chassis would chew NT3102 EHT transformers at an alarming rate. There was a mod sheet (which I don't have) for adding stabilisation as per the earlier 1/02 chassis.

 Return to top of page · Post #: 9 · Written at 12:07:45 PM on 25 April 2018.
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 Location: Melbourne, VIC
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The remote schematic is in the HGP 1/06 chassis service manual (dated 01/1965).

HG Palmer RCIP Remote Control

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