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 Return to top of page · Post #: 1 · Written at 8:02:36 PM on 28 September 2021.
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Today Reuters reported China "pleas for more coal" Can't make enough juice to run their factories.

Some of the factories supply Tesla. What???? Yep. Tesla, you know, the electric car mob saving the planet from fossil fuel poisoning.

What the hell is going on here?? It's not April 1 is it???

Where is the UN? Where is Greta? The ABC? The Greens??? Extinction Wankers?

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-energy-crunch-triggers-alarm-pleas-more-coal-2021-09-28/


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 2 · Written at 8:33:13 PM on 28 September 2021.
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Albeit jerry-built may be the order of the day, one has to admire their work rate. Whist our lot are making themselves tired talking about it & organising the perks. They have built it & moved on. That Tesla plant is the biggest in the world and was built in 10 Months.

On resources: There is such a thing as shooting from the mouth & hitting yourself in the foot.

Gradually the lies are floating to the surface. The computer modelling on climate & Covid are now being exposed for doing what we knew from day one: Feed in crap yield a bigger load of crap. Even the lies about Ivermectin are being exposed.

The biggest cause of pollution, disease spreading, loss of habitat & species extinction has a single cause and its not the earth heating & cooling in cycles as it always has. Its the greed & consumerism of the unsustainable ever increasing Human Mouse plague.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 3 · Written at 9:51:16 PM on 28 September 2021.
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Where is Greta?

This is too big for Greta:
Need Harry & Meghan to fly in (with security, support staff, Range Rovers)


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 4 · Written at 10:10:58 PM on 28 September 2021.
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The reason China is facing a very cold winter this year is the same as for the last winter - they are not buying their coal off us. We have managed to find other countries to take most of the coal that China will no longer buy off us but no other country can supply it in the quantities that Australia can, so China has hurt itself more than it has or will hurt us. Sadly, their people will never find out the truth because the Global Times, a Chinese propaganda rag, doesn't tell the truth.


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A valve a day keeps the transistor away...

 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 5 · Written at 11:46:31 PM on 28 September 2021.
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If they told the truth, whoever runs it would be convicted of something and thrown into prison, just like they are doing with all their successful entrepreneurs. Any company in China can and should be considered a branch of the Party.

They decided to play games with our coal, and now they pay the price of their idiocy - but stupid people never admit their mistakes. China will always find someone else to blame when they are the guilty ones.

I always kept my thoughts of human overpopulation to myself because I thought others would think I'm crazy. I'm glad to see that Marcc also thinks that way.

To put it bluntly, the economy requires that population increases. However an increasing population damages the environment. So, you can have a healthy planet or a healthy economy - but you can't have both - they are polar opposites. Already, humans outnumber all other land animals larger than an insect combined. Consider that the average human outputs about 100 watts of heat. Multiply that by 8 billion, and you have 800 gigawatts of heat being generated day and night simply due to our existence. Now, I'm not entirely convinced of this global warming thing, but that kind of power wastage isn't going to help.

A rather more gross scenario is to consider the amount of human waste in a day (the toilet). I'm not sure how much the daily wastage weighs, but again multiply that by 8 billion. Where does it go? Is it sustainable? How much toilet paper is used? How many trees were killed to make it? And that's just one day. You can't recycle toilet paper.

I was kind of hoping that Covid would decimate humans (the original meaning of the term, that is, reduce to one tenth), which would have helped somewhat, but in the end it's barely made a dent.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 6 · Written at 12:49:15 AM on 29 September 2021.
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I certainly do believe in overpopulation also. The biggest problem we have internationally is third world countries experiencing their population boom like India did. The only way to taper that off is to invest millions into educating the population about contraception and hygiene.

However, climate change is definitely a issue. Unlike what we once thought, more greenhouse gases don't immediately intensify the heating of the earth but intensify the effects of climate extremes. Places which are colder on average experience extreme cold blasts and areas of heat experience tremendous heat waves. It is a very complex topic and all effects of a harsher climate aren't yet realised. Less rainfall overall with droughts becoming more common (just think of 2019 summer long bushfires). A "once in a hundred year event" is now becoming a more than a once a decade event.

How greenhouse gases actually absorb IR light and re-emit this energy is quite interesting. The wavelength of light resonates between the bonds in a molecule and causes a wiggling, twisting or stretching action with the only way for the molecule to rid itself of the energy is to release it in a random direction. We can use this to work out what type of bonds mister molecules have using this fact. It's called IR spectroscopy.

Lance


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 7 · Written at 12:29:22 PM on 29 September 2021.
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If you google Wangaratta and Yarrawonga, and perhaps note in Wodonga area. One would note that town like Barandudah did not exist. Bundalong did not exist to any extent and the housing did not extend to nearly all the way to Bundalong. In Wangaratta area NW there were large farms & scant housing West of the ovens river & Three mile Creek & near me.

Now the intensive housing is within 2km of me and growing all along the west side of the creek. That is basically tens of thousands of people.

The once thriving pristine Warby Ranges has inappropriate housing that should never be there; Its since being "managed by experts since 1978" is now dying. We used to have Curlews, and a wide variety of Flora & Fauna. That has been decimated, along with thousands of acres of food producing land and habitat. The one pristine Three Mile creek where great grandmother lived and its tributaries are virtually sterile polluted drains.

Under the greed an denial policy the rivers waters are becoming like the Mediterranean and that polluted, nothing taken from them can be considered safe and has become a source of extortionate income by the greedy with no agricultural intent, buying it up.

It is a case of all of the destruction of habitat, pollution & human misery is down to their own greed, consumerism and narcissistic arrogance putting humans before all else. The reality is that governments are already stealing water Agriculture needs and it is only a matter of time that as disease is not working despite humans being there own enemy by living on top of one another; That they will by covering food growing land with Tar & Cement invoke a major correction like the Mouse Plague, starve itself by disease & running out of food.

This is where the climate change models are exposed as lies & crap.

Marc


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 8 · Written at 7:01:50 PM on 29 September 2021.
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 Return to top of page · Post #: 9 · Written at 8:11:24 PM on 29 September 2021.
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Now what a difference a day makes. I have been absolutely scathing at the narcissistic and ridiculous way Dangerous Dan & Co went about lockdown & quarantine in Victoria especially.

We haven't the Chickens come home to roost. 58 serious charges under the "work place" laws leaves me in raptures. Provenance at last.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 10 · Written at 9:50:57 PM on 29 September 2021.
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Last year I was watching a programme on population predictions for the next 100 years. They reckon Nairobi, Kenya will have a population of 87 million by the turn of the century. We'll all be long gone by then but those that are here then will have different ideas about what a big city is like than we do.

To put things in perspective, the curent largest city is Tokyo, Japan with a measley 34 million - roughly six times as many people as Sydney.


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 Return to top of page · Post #: 11 · Written at 3:14:49 AM on 30 September 2021.
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To put things in perspective, the current largest city is Tokyo, Japan with a measley 34 million - roughly six times as many people as Sydney.

And the other side of the coin is Singapore with just 5 million people.

Singapore/GDP per capita 65,233.28 USD (2019)

Australia/GDP per capita 55,060.33 USD (2019)

United States/GDP per capita 65,297.52 USD (2019)

Japan/GDP per capita 40,246.88 USD (2019)


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 12 · Written at 1:23:35 AM on 1 October 2021.
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Tokyo, 34 million

And half that city has 60-cycle power and other half 50-cycle, and their powerpoints have no safety earth!


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 13 · Written at 9:48:27 AM on 1 October 2021.
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60 Hz plus 50 Hz and 60 Hz minus 50 Hz etc. etc. = ?

I would love to monitor their earth currents. I imagine strange beats and harmonics looping everywhere under their feet.
And at high power levels too, I would think.

I wonder if that's why they don't utilise mains earthing?


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 14 · Written at 8:11:27 PM on 1 October 2021.
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Don't forget that Japan's voltage sits at around 100 volts. It is still high enough to be deadly but the risk of that is far less than here.


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 Return to top of page · Post #: 15 · Written at 9:28:10 PM on 1 October 2021.
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Your point about mixed 50 and 60 Hz power in Tokyo reminded me of an interesting situation that existed at ABC TV Gore Hill at the time they opened in 1956.

The site at the time had trams running on the Pacific Hwy on the western side of the site.
On the eastern side was the substation that fed the 750 volts DC to the overhead, and, of course, the rails.
The tram network was very run down by 1956, just prior to its withdrawal. The conductivity of the tracks was marginal due to loose bolts etc.
As a result much of the return current would flow through the ground, right through the ABC site.

Now the DC was not "pure" of course, it was rectified AC. And it was supplied from two sources, the Darling Harbour powerhouse and the White Bay powerhouse. While nominally 50 Hz, neither generator was synced - they didn't have to be, they were supplying DC, even if it was "dirty" DC.

So the ABC suffered from horrendous ground loop hum, which took a lot of work to overcome. It had not been completely removed by the time they opened. But soon after that, the trams stopped running and the problem was solved!

You can see the two out-of-sync hum bands in various places in the Kinescope (TV film) of the opening night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stgyyXBHEA4

Many have said that these lines were due to the use of a film camera being out of sync with the TV signal. No, not so, they were using a "proper" Marconi "Telerecorder" and the lines were in the actual broadcast pictures.


 
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