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 Return to top of page · Post #: 16 · Written at 8:43:23 PM on 22 July 2021.
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You don't get into that sort of position unless you are strongly NPD, as we have seen recently in other world leaders (thankfully not all)


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 17 · Written at 8:44:48 PM on 22 July 2021.
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Unfortunately many branches of the American press have been caught out lying & fabricating to the point, where most of them cannot be trusted. They told that many lies & untruths during the cold war and interfered with so many countries economies for commercial gain, that they have bamboozled themselves & can't tell the difference between fact & their own fiction, or the goodies from the baddies who in many cases, by their interference, created. But pretty much everything they interfere with, goes pear shaped. A lesson they have never learnt.

Afghanistan is a classic example. Like most of European origin they continue to fail to realise that humans are in the main tribal. Scottish Clans a prime example. As explained to me by a Brigadier ages ago. Afghanistan was an exercise in futility. They are tribal & have been fighting amongst themselves for centuries. Hate one another and the only way it will stop is by genocide.

The only one who understood China was Horatio Lord Nelson. His view was that if you awoke the Dragon the word would tremble. How right he was. The greedy, interfering, self righteous European mentality that still exists today, meant that they just could not contain themselves and woke the Dragon

For which stupidity, a high price may be paid.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 18 · Written at 9:09:12 PM on 22 July 2021.
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That's an opinion piece. Just because it's in the WP doesn't make it true.....

Here it is from the horse's mouth: https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/06/29/1027290/gain-of-function-risky-bat-virus-engineering-links-america-to-wuhan/


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 19 · Written at 9:12:58 PM on 22 July 2021.
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QUOTE: pretty much everything they interfere with, goes pear shaped. A lesson they have never learnt


For a detailed history of that, read The Brothers by Stephen Kinzer.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 20 · Written at 9:54:01 PM on 22 July 2021.
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" through misadventure or deliberate negligence"

There is an old saying something like if there is a choice between cock-up and conspiracy, go for cock up every time. I rather think that the original release was misadventure or cock-up, and that the conspiracy has come in the cover-up and in taking advantage of the opportunity to increase the power of the CCP.

An Australian who worked in the Wuhan lab just weeks before the Covid outbreak in November 2019 was Dr Danielle Anderson studying why viruses such as Ebola and Nipah don't make their bat carriers ill https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/australian-scientist-the-sole-foreign-researcher-at-the-wuhan-lab-speaks-out-20210628-p584sv.html.

She thought that the Wuhan lab was run as well as other such labs that she had worked at, and she saw some of the people who she had worked with at a conference in Singapore at the end of December 2019. If there had been illness in the lab she would have heard about it at this conference (this is before the major outbreak so the CCP wouldn't have got its fingers in the pie yet).

Also if people had been sick, she would have been sick, and wasn't. And before she was vaccinated she was tested for Covid and had never had it.

She says that it is not impossible that the virus escaped from there because escapes from such labs have happened before (SARS), and she could see how it could happen. Yet she believes that Covid came from a natural source.

Once the disaster had happened, though, I feel that the CCP would take over all aspects dealing with Covid, and their tendency for cover-up will prevent the truth coming out if it any way threatens its power.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 21 · Written at 11:50:57 PM on 22 July 2021.
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Latest Delta hotspot Indonesia, at Aust doorstep, boatpeople land near Darwin, dodging Coast Guard.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 22 · Written at 1:49:06 AM on 23 July 2021.
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After seeing a few episodes of "Stargate SG1" it was pretty obvious as to where they got their basic story line. A retired regular army guy locally who was a trainer & had done a few tours of Vietnam. Pointed out, that was just as it was in Stargate.

They proceeded like herd of Elephants & the Viet Cong if the could not hear them from miles away could smell their "must have toiletries" & they also herded like Elephants & Cattle, making themselves an easy target. So one would live longer by not going on any operations with them.

Its pretty much a case of USA not winning a decisive military victory since WWII.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 23 · Written at 12:54:02 PM on 23 July 2021.
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The reasons behind this are complex. I think the best explanation of how the Americans get themselves into trouble is in a movie made in 1963 - predates and presages the Vietnam war.

You should watch this all the way through.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyclhZYw4Lg


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 24 · Written at 1:59:02 PM on 23 July 2021.
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I just hope that our leaders get their facts right before pointing fingers, as recommended by Americans.
We should stand on our own feet and principals.
JJ


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 25 · Written at 2:23:35 PM on 23 July 2021.
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I notice that that China is opposing the W.H.O.'s part 2 of tracing where the virus came from. Does China not realise that opposing only makes it look like it's got something to hide? I think China is guilty as hell.

It's bad enough that the doctor who originally raised the covid alarm in 2019 conveniently died (or was murdered) soon after. The cover-up began way back then.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 26 · Written at 8:12:25 PM on 23 July 2021.
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There was mention that the process was patented in USA around 2018. Checking US patents may reveal the validity of that. Lots will be running scared because they have let out a possible doomsday bug & its antidote could be turning out to be another nightmare like Thalidomide?

I for one do not like its mechanism. The mad virologist does feature in Stargate. Who knew what in this sci-fi, which seems to have a lot of factual stuff built in.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 27 · Written at 10:47:04 PM on 23 July 2021.
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Quite a few people in and around Wuhan have disappeared without a trace as a result of knowing too much. It's like the Tiananmen Square massacre all over again, just on a scale that doesn't get televised.


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 Return to top of page · Post #: 28 · Written at 12:56:40 AM on 24 July 2021.
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Does China not realise that opposing only makes it look like it's got something to hide?

"Saving face" is a deep cultural thing in China, at every level:

QUOTE: The Chinese will go through great lengths to protect face (their own as well as others). In fact, it’s perfectly acceptable to tell a lie—even a bald-faced one—if it serves to protect face.

China’s culture of shame doesn’t think of lies in terms of “right” and “wrong.” Instead, the goal of Chinese truth is often to protect the face of an individual, group, or even nation.

Westerners often have a hard time with this. We don’t like to be bull-sh*tted. Our reaction is to call someone out on a lie. But in most cases, open confrontation is counter-productive, and will often result in denials or feigning ignorance.


https://www.china-mike.com/chinese-culture/cult-of-face/


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 29 · Written at 8:24:08 PM on 24 July 2021.
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Quite different to Japanese culture, where to be caught out in a lie incurs a massive loss of face.


 
 Return to top of page · Post #: 30 · Written at 10:03:55 AM on 26 July 2021.
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The analysis from my farming & chemistry experience is that the whole show in Australia is a cock up. Its being run by a bunch of Radio & TV stars who are Academics & Polly's backed up by a bureaucracy that has proven time and again that if they cannot find something that is never going to work, totally impractical, or can be stifled because it works; Are in their element.

These Media stars posing as virologists, is frustrating to see: When considering the 17th century Mayor of London, Sir John Monash in WW1 demobbing of troops returning from Europe and the US in WWII evacuating Japanese from Korea. Clearly these people were much more enlightened than this bunch of amateurs that would, it appears, have neither studied their achievements nor understood why they did it.

Now we have the children in a fight over "Rings of Steel": Really! From where I am sitting, near a border, the problem is all radiating from the bug infested Cities of Sydney and Melbourne which need a "Rabbit Proof Fence" to keep the residents in until they sterilise the place & drench the population to get rid of the bugs that are actually spreading it.

Of course it wont happen if it cannot be attributed to one of their Amateurs, so they get a gong like the old OBE. (Other Buggers Efforts).

I cannot understand how these constant fails keep them in a job, but it may be like the bureaucracy. Monumental failure & stifling progress is a winner.

I think we are entitled to rant in frustration, where we see no leadership & constant fails from a mob of media stars, incapable of running a Hen fight: Even when given the Chooks.


 
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